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Meanwhile, an example of how not to make a safe space: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=230644&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

If someone thinks the Genderbread Person isn't all that profound, I don't have a problem with that. I tend to agree, though for different reasons. And some of Fox's points are reasonable and worth debating. But they all could have been made without tacking on transphobia and cissexism.

I don't think Fox is exactly a bigot... from the broader slant of her comments, I think she has a problem with any concept of a group having a collective identity or expressing a collective voice. It'd be worth a bit of head-scratching over exactly why... extreme individualism, maybe? Buying too much into the idea of merit?

But whatever motivates her to dismiss the term "cisgender" with sneering contempt, it's troubling that 1. no moderator has stepped in, and 2. most of the thread supports her. That's crossing a really big line, and it wouldn't be tolerated anywhere where the existence of non-cis people was more than a theoretical matter of terminology. I'm not wading into this particular discussion... IMHO, Fox is a silly person who is best ignored... but I don't like what she represents, and I'm tempted to make an account on ESL Cafe in the future, just for the purpose of counterbalancing the "you people don't really exist" meme by one genderqueer person who really exists.

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